Saturday, April 14, 2012

Teaching newbs to raid by using interactive video

[:1]How useful do you think a service would be where you can view a video (of a boss fight, for example) and as the video progressed, comments from anyone who viewed it could appear below? I'm imagining the following application:

Before a big raid, you watch a video of the fight or part of the fight. As the video goes on, occasionally instructions, warnings or tips appear below like "priests move to the left corner at this point" or "this is when class/player XYZ needs to do this and this."

You could also use it to show how to complete certain quests, or where to go to find loot/mobs that are tough to find.

Thoughts?|||One word: tankspot|||There are allready many sites with this service. And while it is a good idea, there are always people who dont look at it even after you linked it in the guild forum for weeks and told everyone in TS to do so.

People are either interested in tactics and inform themselfs following their own motivation, or they will always be the sheepish raid fill up material that is best exchanged for another raider ASAP. I hate those people who waste 24 other raidmembers time by showing up without a clue of what is going on.|||Quote:








There are allready many sites with this service. And while it is a good idea, there are always people who dont look at it even after you linked it in the guild forum for weeks and told everyone in TS to do so.

People are either interested in tactics and inform themselfs following their own motivation, or they will always be the sheepish raid fill up material that is best exchanged for another raider ASAP. I hate those people who waste 24 other raidmembers time by showing up without a clue of what is going on.




Even consulting these sites and watching videos doesn't prepare you fully to participate in one of these things. And what noobs like myself need is people (perhaps not on the 25-man scale!) who will be a bit patient, a bit tolerant, and willing to teach, knowing that everyone has to start somewhere. I think it's people like you that have left me uncomfortable and hesitant to volunteer for a raid, not liking shouts of NOOB!! and worse when we don't do things just right or have a problem. It's nearly impossible lately to gain experience through learning, so I just don't try anymore. And, unfortunately, if you don't raid, you aren't going to get a lot of the major things in this game and that's disappointing too.|||Quote:








Even consulting these sites and watching videos doesn't prepare you fully to participate in one of these things. And what noobs like myself need is people (perhaps not on the 25-man scale!) who will be a bit patient, a bit tolerant, and willing to teach, knowing that everyone has to start somewhere. I think it's people like you that have left me uncomfortable and hesitant to volunteer for a raid, not liking shouts of NOOB!! and worse when we don't do things just right or have a problem. It's nearly impossible lately to gain experience through learning, so I just don't try anymore. And, unfortunately, if you don't raid, you aren't going to get a lot of the major things in this game and that's disappointing too.




Of course noone expects you to get everything right from the start. The main difference between someone who has informed himself before the raid and someone who didnt is the time it takes till you stop making fatal mistakes out of confusion.

It is only natural that you need 2 or 3 tries to see how a fight works, what the graphics of the spells look like etc. That is something completely different than someone who still stands in the AoE after the 10th try and asks "why am i loosing health all the time, and what is that fire that comes out of the boss dragon's mouth, is it maybe a special ability?"

I have no problem explaining things as long as i see that you at least tried to inform yourself or to think for yourself. The raid leaders job is NOT to think for all the others in the raid, he should just be coordinating.|||Quote:








Of course noone expects you to get everything right from the start. The main difference between someone who has informed himself before the raid and someone who didnt is the time it takes till you stop making fatal mistakes out of confusion.

It is only natural that you need 2 or 3 tries to see how a fight works, what the graphics of the spells look like etc. That is something completely different than someone who still stands in the AoE after the 10th try and asks "why am i loosing health all the time, and what is that fire that comes out of the boss dragon's mouth, is it maybe a special ability?"

I have no problem explaining things as long as i see that you at least tried to inform yourself or to think for yourself. The raid leaders job is NOT to think for all the others in the raid, he should just be coordinating.




Unfortunately, from the experiences I've had, most are neither as kind nor as willing to teach and inform as you say you are. The attitude seems more to be 'whaddaya mean you've not done this before?' or alternatively 'oh, gawd, don't tell me I have to tell you how to do it - why me?'. I try to ask sensible questions (and don't ask them when we've just come up against the boss and his twelve flunkies), have brains enough to follow instructions, and am willing to persist. My characters are decently skilled, armoured, and armed. I've rarely encountered anything in real life where someone learning a skill is expected to perform perfectly right off the bat.

But my whole experience has been discouraging. Mine is not the only one, either. And consequently, when the guild (I've tried three guilds now that sounded promising and said they were anxious to help noobs) organises a raid, it's the same ones over and over that go on it. And the rest of us, having been ridiculed and complained about more than once, stay away from it.|||That is very unfortunate, that you made such discouraging experiences.

I think the most important thing is to find a group where you are confortable in. It is not easy. Me too, i have changed guilds way too often during my WoW time. But the right group must be out there somewhere. Dont give up searching, please :) And dont give up on raiding either, it is a wonderufl thing when you have the right group. Sometimes even pickup groups can work wonderful.|||Quote:








That is very unfortunate, that you made such discouraging experiences.

I think the most important thing is to find a group where you are confortable in. It is not easy. Me too, i have changed guilds way too often during my WoW time. But the right group must be out there somewhere. Dont give up searching, please :) And dont give up on raiding either, it is a wonderufl thing when you have the right group. Sometimes even pickup groups can work wonderful.




I tend to play solo or grouped with one who's been through similar experiences. But that's only two of us. We used to have two others and all of us were searching for a fifth but one of our friends quit to go back to school and the other quit when he had a nasty divorce. It has been very disappointing - the game is based largely on your being able to raid in groups. It's finding the group that's difficult. I sometimes wish it was possible to complete the game solo. It might make it easier for a lot of us.|||When it comes to pugging. Usually I just read up, watch video's and say I've done it before, but with an overgeared group.

In guild I'm not on when Ulduar-time is up. So I do the daily heroic for my 2 Emblems of Triumph a day... Saving up for my iLvl245 gear.

After that I'm planning to shift my playing time to <fill in top instance of the moment>-day.|||I've been on raid many times where I've never seen the boss before. A quick read of a guide (I usually use wowwiki) and then jump in. Warcraft is not a difficult game to play.

Don't stand in the fire, know when to move, know when to stop/start.

I honestly can't think of a raid boss where I havn't learnt it by the second attempt (Heigans dance maybe took three attempts - but thats a timing issue).

Just jump in...you'll be fine. If you've done 5 mans then 10 mans are easy, 25 mans take a little longer.

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